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		<title>By: blur Crowdsourcing</title>
		<link>http://spyrestudios.com/6-reasons-crowdsourcing-and-spec-work-sucks/#comment-26490</link>
		<dc:creator>blur Crowdsourcing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are certainly some approaches to Crowdsourcing which don&#039;t provide a high quality service, and there are some approaches which can exploit Crowd members, but it&#039;s unfair to generalise Crowdsourcing as a poor quality, exploitative process.

Managed Crowds of professional marketers and designers can provide an exceptional breadth and depth of creative input, without the downsides you&#039;ve mentioned.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are certainly some approaches to Crowdsourcing which don&#8217;t provide a high quality service, and there are some approaches which can exploit Crowd members, but it&#8217;s unfair to generalise Crowdsourcing as a poor quality, exploitative process.</p>
<p>Managed Crowds of professional marketers and designers can provide an exceptional breadth and depth of creative input, without the downsides you&#8217;ve mentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: Des Igner</title>
		<link>http://spyrestudios.com/6-reasons-crowdsourcing-and-spec-work-sucks/#comment-24903</link>
		<dc:creator>Des Igner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 03:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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There is nothing good about crowdsourcing. The only people benefitting from it are the ones running the crowdsourcing sites. 

As far as it being a great place for beginners to get experience, how exactly is that? Experience in what? Designers that participate in crowdsourcing end up just doing production for the clients that like to play &quot;art director&quot;, a position, by the way, which they have no qualifications for. So what is a beginner learning from them? Absolutely nothing.

What possible benefit is there in crowdsourcing for designers. It is already difficult enough to sell our services and get paid what the work is worth. Now there are countless people just giving away their services. That&#039;s not helping things at all. f you work in an agency you will probably never notice how this affects the industry. Agencies, for the most part, have sales people and far larger clients with bigger budgets... But try going out in your own and it&#039;s a different story. People are continually asking you to work on spec and and you just see more and more people going to crowdsourcing sites to get things designed. And the best part is that in their eyes they are getting work that is the same quality as a good, professional designer would provide. I highly doubt that there are good designers going to crowdsourcing sites to get work because every such site I have ever looked through all the work is garbage. And what&#039;s to be expected from a bunch of people who are trying to get away with putting as little time and effort as possible into what they are doing since they most likely aren&#039;t going to be paid anyway.

CrowdsourcingSucks.com
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing good about crowdsourcing. The only people benefitting from it are the ones running the crowdsourcing sites. </p>
<p>As far as it being a great place for beginners to get experience, how exactly is that? Experience in what? Designers that participate in crowdsourcing end up just doing production for the clients that like to play &#8220;art director&#8221;, a position, by the way, which they have no qualifications for. So what is a beginner learning from them? Absolutely nothing.</p>
<p>What possible benefit is there in crowdsourcing for designers. It is already difficult enough to sell our services and get paid what the work is worth. Now there are countless people just giving away their services. That&#8217;s not helping things at all. f you work in an agency you will probably never notice how this affects the industry. Agencies, for the most part, have sales people and far larger clients with bigger budgets&#8230; But try going out in your own and it&#8217;s a different story. People are continually asking you to work on spec and and you just see more and more people going to crowdsourcing sites to get things designed. And the best part is that in their eyes they are getting work that is the same quality as a good, professional designer would provide. I highly doubt that there are good designers going to crowdsourcing sites to get work because every such site I have ever looked through all the work is garbage. And what&#8217;s to be expected from a bunch of people who are trying to get away with putting as little time and effort as possible into what they are doing since they most likely aren&#8217;t going to be paid anyway.</p>
<p>CrowdsourcingSucks.com</p>
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		<title>By: Adina Berzofsky</title>
		<link>http://spyrestudios.com/6-reasons-crowdsourcing-and-spec-work-sucks/#comment-24432</link>
		<dc:creator>Adina Berzofsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 17:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While you make some valid points, not every company can afford a design firm, and not every new designer will be hired by a design firm. So where do those people go? Should businesses do without logos until they can save up thousands to buy one?  Do new design school graduates work at other jobs until they can get hired?  

Crowdsourcing provides a quick and easy way for any new designer to quickly build up a portfolio. Professional designers can earn some extra side money by freelancing on crowdsourced projects. Good design is good design, regardless of how much it costs.  If there wasn&#039;t a need for crowdsourcing, then those companies wouldn&#039;t be thriving. 

I believe there is room in the marketplace for both traditional design firms and crowdsourced design. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While you make some valid points, not every company can afford a design firm, and not every new designer will be hired by a design firm. So where do those people go? Should businesses do without logos until they can save up thousands to buy one?  Do new design school graduates work at other jobs until they can get hired?  </p>
<p>Crowdsourcing provides a quick and easy way for any new designer to quickly build up a portfolio. Professional designers can earn some extra side money by freelancing on crowdsourced projects. Good design is good design, regardless of how much it costs.  If there wasn&#8217;t a need for crowdsourcing, then those companies wouldn&#8217;t be thriving. </p>
<p>I believe there is room in the marketplace for both traditional design firms and crowdsourced design.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://spyrestudios.com/6-reasons-crowdsourcing-and-spec-work-sucks/#comment-21471</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 02:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the end of the day, budget ultimately rules us all.

I run a dozen or so startups and while crowd sourcing might not be a good idea for large corporations, website operators are loving it.

My websites sell products - people don&#039;t buy because my logo looks pretty. 

I&#039;ve spent tens of thousands with agencies, and to be completely honest, I&#039;ve had some kick ass designs that trumped them for $300 using crowd sourcing.

Business owners will always visit agencies, because most business owners recognize that they aren&#039;t designers and won&#039;t be able to choose the right end product anyway. Choice is the enemy, 100 designs submitted = hair falling out!

Dealing directly with thousands of small business operators every year, I know that the majority of business owners with physical point of sale will generally stay away from these sites - primarily because they don&#039;t have time to mess around on the interwebs.

Nice blog btw!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the end of the day, budget ultimately rules us all.</p>
<p>I run a dozen or so startups and while crowd sourcing might not be a good idea for large corporations, website operators are loving it.</p>
<p>My websites sell products &#8211; people don&#8217;t buy because my logo looks pretty. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve spent tens of thousands with agencies, and to be completely honest, I&#8217;ve had some kick ass designs that trumped them for $300 using crowd sourcing.</p>
<p>Business owners will always visit agencies, because most business owners recognize that they aren&#8217;t designers and won&#8217;t be able to choose the right end product anyway. Choice is the enemy, 100 designs submitted = hair falling out!</p>
<p>Dealing directly with thousands of small business operators every year, I know that the majority of business owners with physical point of sale will generally stay away from these sites &#8211; primarily because they don&#8217;t have time to mess around on the interwebs.</p>
<p>Nice blog btw!</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://spyrestudios.com/6-reasons-crowdsourcing-and-spec-work-sucks/#comment-20050</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 00:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like to put it this way, how would a cabinet maker react if someone walked in off the street and said &quot; i need a chest of drawers, can you make one for me but in the mean time I&#039;m going to 20 other cabinet makers to get them to do the same and when you are all finished I will choose the one I like&quot;. They would tell you in no uncertain terms where to shove it!
That&#039;s what 99 designs thinks of us as designers. Its utterly contemptible, and demeans the value of our talents and services!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to put it this way, how would a cabinet maker react if someone walked in off the street and said &#8221; i need a chest of drawers, can you make one for me but in the mean time I&#8217;m going to 20 other cabinet makers to get them to do the same and when you are all finished I will choose the one I like&#8221;. They would tell you in no uncertain terms where to shove it!<br />
That&#8217;s what 99 designs thinks of us as designers. Its utterly contemptible, and demeans the value of our talents and services!</p>
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		<title>By: One Good Thing About Crowdsourcing - Visual Swirl</title>
		<link>http://spyrestudios.com/6-reasons-crowdsourcing-and-spec-work-sucks/#comment-13566</link>
		<dc:creator>One Good Thing About Crowdsourcing - Visual Swirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of many big name designers who claim that it is destroying the industry.  I recently read an excellent article on SpyreStudios that argues strongly against the ideas behind crowdsourcing. While I encourage you to read the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of many big name designers who claim that it is destroying the industry.  I recently read an excellent article on SpyreStudios that argues strongly against the ideas behind crowdsourcing. While I encourage you to read the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: randy</title>
		<link>http://spyrestudios.com/6-reasons-crowdsourcing-and-spec-work-sucks/#comment-13201</link>
		<dc:creator>randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 01:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@lokin 

do designers TRULY understand the target audience better or do they just think that they do? i agree that outsourcing to a designer who has no regard for the end user is bad, but how about outsourcing to the end user themselves? 

That&#039;s a pure version of crowdsourcing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@lokin </p>
<p>do designers TRULY understand the target audience better or do they just think that they do? i agree that outsourcing to a designer who has no regard for the end user is bad, but how about outsourcing to the end user themselves? </p>
<p>That&#8217;s a pure version of crowdsourcing.</p>
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		<title>By: randy</title>
		<link>http://spyrestudios.com/6-reasons-crowdsourcing-and-spec-work-sucks/#comment-13200</link>
		<dc:creator>randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 00:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that crowdsourcing does have the POSSIBILITY to become useful for businesses. It provides an opportunity to tap into the latent creative potential of the amateur. Anyone can have the potential to produce good looking, innovative design, and anyone can now get access to the tools and educational resources to do it. 

As professional designers, we may all have similar tastes, have been educated in the similar ways or subscribe to the same design blogs. Someone who hasnt been shackled by the incumbent design community may see things differently and produce a more innovative solution. What remains is to be able to define a framework and model that empowers more of these kinds of people to participate in crowdsourced design. And that solves the problem of &quot;getting things done,&quot; &quot;revisions&quot; etc. In a connected world, that shouldn;t be too hard. And if we are able to mobilise such a large movement, 1 / 100 doesn;t seem so bad after all.

it may not be great for us professional designers, but we don;t really come into the equation. if we solve the problem of renewable energy, we;re not going to mine coal just so that we can give jobs to coal miners.

i&#039;m currently doing a phd on this subject, and as someone who believes in the potential of crowdsourcing, it is very pleasing to read such intelligent and thought provoking counter arguments. i will be equally as pleased with my research if i am eventually proved wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that crowdsourcing does have the POSSIBILITY to become useful for businesses. It provides an opportunity to tap into the latent creative potential of the amateur. Anyone can have the potential to produce good looking, innovative design, and anyone can now get access to the tools and educational resources to do it. </p>
<p>As professional designers, we may all have similar tastes, have been educated in the similar ways or subscribe to the same design blogs. Someone who hasnt been shackled by the incumbent design community may see things differently and produce a more innovative solution. What remains is to be able to define a framework and model that empowers more of these kinds of people to participate in crowdsourced design. And that solves the problem of &#8220;getting things done,&#8221; &#8220;revisions&#8221; etc. In a connected world, that shouldn;t be too hard. And if we are able to mobilise such a large movement, 1 / 100 doesn;t seem so bad after all.</p>
<p>it may not be great for us professional designers, but we don;t really come into the equation. if we solve the problem of renewable energy, we;re not going to mine coal just so that we can give jobs to coal miners.</p>
<p>i&#8217;m currently doing a phd on this subject, and as someone who believes in the potential of crowdsourcing, it is very pleasing to read such intelligent and thought provoking counter arguments. i will be equally as pleased with my research if i am eventually proved wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Lokin</title>
		<link>http://spyrestudios.com/6-reasons-crowdsourcing-and-spec-work-sucks/#comment-13043</link>
		<dc:creator>Lokin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i.e. Here&#039;s some freshly stolen poop splashed with perfume that I&#039;m sure you will love. 

Who cares about the target audience!!  Clients dont have the design understanding so 

they fall for what they PERSONALLY think &quot;Looks Cool&quot;. There goes the target audience

neglected yet again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i.e. Here&#8217;s some freshly stolen poop splashed with perfume that I&#8217;m sure you will love. </p>
<p>Who cares about the target audience!!  Clients dont have the design understanding so </p>
<p>they fall for what they PERSONALLY think &#8220;Looks Cool&#8221;. There goes the target audience</p>
<p>neglected yet again!</p>
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		<title>By: Lokin</title>
		<link>http://spyrestudios.com/6-reasons-crowdsourcing-and-spec-work-sucks/#comment-13042</link>
		<dc:creator>Lokin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You missed one VITAL piece of the puzzle. Freelance work or in house design teams have the ability, skills and time to understand the Brand and what needs to be communicated as well as a better understanding of the target audience. It&#039;s like rolling 7&#039;s three times in a row. You expressing the brand, communicating it&#039;s product/message effectively and to the correct target audience. Crowd surfing you get wam-bam crack shots at what a designer thinks the client WANTS to see disregarding the merits of &quot;True Design&quot; seeking only to seduce the client into a win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You missed one VITAL piece of the puzzle. Freelance work or in house design teams have the ability, skills and time to understand the Brand and what needs to be communicated as well as a better understanding of the target audience. It&#8217;s like rolling 7&#8242;s three times in a row. You expressing the brand, communicating it&#8217;s product/message effectively and to the correct target audience. Crowd surfing you get wam-bam crack shots at what a designer thinks the client WANTS to see disregarding the merits of &#8220;True Design&#8221; seeking only to seduce the client into a win.</p>
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